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Poster: tammytroot Date: Jul 1, 2008 5:14am
Forum: texts Subject: Extremely slow download speeds

I've been collecting public domain ebooks for two or three years now, but only recently came across this truly fantastic site. I couldn't believe the range and quality of texts available - all for free. [Being a Scotsman, that last bit's important to me:)] The only problem I've encountered so far is the random fluctuation in download speeds. On a good day, I can get 240kbps but on a bad day this slows right down to 20kbps or even less. The speed even fluctuates wildly from hour to hour. My download speeds from other sites are fine, so I assume the problem is with this site. Is there anything I can do to remedy this? (I'm connecting from Glasgow, Scotland)

Any advice would be much appreciated. Thank you.

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Poster: kiteman Date: Jul 14, 2008 3:35pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Extremely slow download speeds

Your post states all of the reasons the host simply cannot do as you would ask. When you log on from (whether from Scotland or New York) your local lines, networks and servers have far more impact on download times than the host server may have. Anytime you see tremendous fluctuations from hour to hour you know that no one could track and report these speed variations in any meaningful way. Even your own housekeeping proceedures on your computer can have a dramatic impact on download speeds. I'm so grateful and pleased to all people associated with this site and all of the others that contribute so much to our mutual enjoyment and edification that I want to cheer with the completion of each and every download, regardless of the time required.

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Poster: tammytroot Date: Jul 15, 2008 2:11pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Extremely slow download speeds

Believe me, kiteman, I also am grateful to those who operate the site. It has given me access to books which I could never hope to read otherwise. But gratitude is not the issue. The aim of the archive is to disseminate the material as widely as possible and that aim cannot be met if the site is not functioning properly. If my local connections were to blame for the slow download speeds, then I would be experiencing the same problems on other sites, but this is not the case.

I do not expect an hour by hour commentary on what speeds to expect, but if the site is not functioning properly, a simple statement to that effect would be welcome. If Librivox can post an announcement that archive.org is experiencing problems, then surely the archive itself can do so?

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Poster: kiteman Date: Jul 15, 2008 5:43pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Extremely slow download speeds

Librivox can report what the circumstances are at his end of the node, not what is happening at the host server. I'm not meaning to be an appoligist for anyone, simply an observer of realistic expectations. I'm in a business where everyone expects far more than they would ever be willing to commit to and the less something costs the more they seem to expect. I am a constant user of this site and others like it. I log on from home at from several offices. I regularly download 40+meg files and times never exceed 5 minutes, even when I'm doing multiple downloads from the same server or RAID. Try logging on from sites remote from your home site and see if the real culprit is something closer to home. Best of luck...no need to prolong this thread. Out

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Poster: tammytroot Date: Jul 6, 2008 11:03am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Extremely slow download speeds

It seems that things can only get worse. I got a download speed of .9 kbps yesterday - yes, less than one kbps.

I happened to visit the Librivox website today, and they have an announcement that archive.org is having "issues", yet the archive can't or won't display any such announcement on its own site. Looking back through your forums, I see that this isn't a new problem, nor is the lack of response from whoever runs the site.

As I've already said, I realise that you aren't a commercial organisation and depend largely on voluntary sources, but keeping the users of the site informed about what's happening when you have "issues" shouldn't be a problem, even for an organisation that's run on a shoestring.

It is heartbreaking to see such an invaluable resource as archive.org being rendered next to useless by such slow download speeds, and the extreme reluctance of those in charge to explain the problem.

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Jul 6, 2008 1:27pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Extremely slow download speeds

One thing we can all do to help is send in yearly donations. In the states we have Public Television (in the UK it is the BBC) - IA needs that kind of broad base user support, in addition to the funding it gets from government> and institutions.

I'm not sure archive.org/text message board is the best place to look for technical help (not sure where that would be - since it is mostly volunteers running the site they must have a message base someplace where they co-ordinate and discuss technical operations). I have always had intermittent problems with IA for years, I just eventually came to accept it and be thankful when it works at all (which is not always the case).

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Poster: tammytroot Date: Jul 6, 2008 3:12pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Extremely slow download speeds

Thanks for the info, stbalbach. I understand that the site relies largely on voluntary sources and things don't always run smoothly because everything's stretched to the limit, but that's no excuse for not keeping users informed when problems arise. I notice there is an announcement section, and I don't see why a simple message that the site is experiencing difficulties couldn't be posted there.

I agree that the text forum may not be the best place to post stuff like this, but I really couldn't see any other relevant forum. I also agree that permanent funding of some kind would be ideal, and I don't see why it shouldn't be international funding, rather than just from US sources. The marvellous resources on this site are available internationally, and I think that European governments should also be helping to finance such a worthwhile scheme, as well as individual contributors. I'm sure a few million from each country wouldn't break the bank.

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Poster: agharbeia Date: Jul 14, 2008 6:58am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Extremely slow download speeds

Greetings!

I'm also concerned with this issue, and in addition for donations which are truly useful for other areas of the IA project as well, I really urge the Archive to make use of available technical solutions which could improve things a bit.

Regards,

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Jul 14, 2008 8:16am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Extremely slow download speeds

This is a good idea (P2P solutions). Duplication is the best form of preservation.

The thought has occurred to me of downloading a copy of every book (half-million or so) but then I did the calculations and it would still be an exspensive proposition - although in 5 years with the cost of disk space going down it won't be so costly for a home user to have a local copy of the entire archive. Another idea, if it could be legally done, would be to sell the archive packaged on a RAID system. This should be a familiar business model for IA.